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		<title>By: ssm2017</title>
		<link>http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/a-personal-plea-on-patents/#comment-38</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Justin Clark-Casey</title>
		<link>http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/a-personal-plea-on-patents/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Clark-Casey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This core developer agrees with Crista - please don&#039;t patent basic infrastructure, it will cause problems for us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This core developer agrees with Crista &#8211; please don&#8217;t patent basic infrastructure, it will cause problems for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaga Gracious</title>
		<link>http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/a-personal-plea-on-patents/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gaga Gracious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I support Deva&#039;s views on this matter 100%. I have waited and watched OpenSim develop and, with the likelihood of rapid advances through 2010, I am convinced we will see a free metaverse in the not too distant future. Indeed, it&#039;s already building and I think the wannabe grid Barons who never did the real work to make it happen need to think again. They will be known for what they are and the damage they are doing to a resource built on hard work by people that share a common vision. Dare I call them vultures trying to strangle the baby?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Deva&#8217;s views on this matter 100%. I have waited and watched OpenSim develop and, with the likelihood of rapid advances through 2010, I am convinced we will see a free metaverse in the not too distant future. Indeed, it&#8217;s already building and I think the wannabe grid Barons who never did the real work to make it happen need to think again. They will be known for what they are and the damage they are doing to a resource built on hard work by people that share a common vision. Dare I call them vultures trying to strangle the baby?</p>
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		<title>By: OpenSim developers warn against patents - Hypergrid Business</title>
		<link>http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/a-personal-plea-on-patents/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OpenSim developers warn against patents - Hypergrid Business]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] OpenSim core developer and a professor of informatics at the University of California, Irvine, in a post this week. Lopes is the inventor of the hypergrid system that allows avatars to teleport between different [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] OpenSim core developer and a professor of informatics at the University of California, Irvine, in a post this week. Lopes is the inventor of the hypergrid system that allows avatars to teleport between different [&#8230;] </p>
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		<title>By: James Stallings</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Stallings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In addition, there is the complication that opensim is a global project, and many international laws potentially come into play.

Some of the laws on software patents abroad from the US are considerably more draconian.

Food for thought :)

Diva: great post, and I love your position. Never give up the Good Fight.

Cheers
James]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, there is the complication that opensim is a global project, and many international laws potentially come into play.</p>
<p>Some of the laws on software patents abroad from the US are considerably more draconian.</p>
<p>Food for thought <img src="http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>Diva: great post, and I love your position. Never give up the Good Fight.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: Gaspar Roux</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gaspar Roux]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your first point is extremely important:

&quot;a) Code faster. Be the first to have the implementation of something important, then you can try to grab the market before the open source solution comes around.&quot;

Most readers here will already know that in the SW engineering world the old saw &quot;ideas are cheap, realizations are dear&quot; is amplified x1000. 

My personal experience has been that very very few patent-brandishers do any innovation at all. Apache didn&#039;t need that in 1995 and OpenSim doesn&#039;t need it today.

Thanks for this, it needed to be said!

-Gaspar Roux]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first point is extremely important:</p>
<p>&#8220;a) Code faster. Be the first to have the implementation of something important, then you can try to grab the market before the open source solution comes around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most readers here will already know that in the SW engineering world the old saw &#8220;ideas are cheap, realizations are dear&#8221; is amplified x1000. </p>
<p>My personal experience has been that very very few patent-brandishers do any innovation at all. Apache didn&#8217;t need that in 1995 and OpenSim doesn&#8217;t need it today.</p>
<p>Thanks for this, it needed to be said!</p>
<p>-Gaspar Roux</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Korolov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria Korolov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are absolutely right. As OpenSim continues to gain speed, it&#039;s quickly becoming apparent that it&#039;s the infrastructure of the future 3D web (or will evolve into it). That means we&#039;re about to see a massive land grab.

Software can, in fact, be patented -- according to Red Hat, there are currently over 200,000 different software patents out there. Most are recent -- the last decade or so -- as a result of the dot-com gold rush. They fall under the &quot;business method&quot; patent category. However, the Supreme Court is currently reviewing this issue, with a ruling due early this year: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904574528062757245866.html

For example, Yahoo! was just fined $12.4 million for infringing a patent on putting an ad background image on an instant message. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020300736.html

Business method patents are weapons of mass destruction when it comes to software. But there are other alternatives, as well. Software can be copyrighted, for example. This doesn&#039;t protect the underlying logic, though, if someone was able to reverse-engineer it or come up with a similar solution on their own. 

Apple has a business process patent on &quot;multi-touch.&quot; Amazon on &quot;1-Click&quot; shopping. Nokia on the 3G cellphone communication standards. 

These patents do hurt innovation in the sense that they add a cost to doing business. Apple, for example, has to pay a licensing fee to Amazon to offer &quot;one-click&quot; shopping. They also add court fees -- Apple and Nokia are currently embroiled in costly back-and-forth lawsuits about GUIs and 3G standards. 

However, the ability to patent software also brings in significant early money -- investors know that inventors can not only make money by using their invention, but also by licensing it to others. 

Does it stifle innovation? Hard to tell. The Amazon one-click patent didn&#039;t seem to have slowed down the growth of e-commerce. But maybe if the patenting had started sooner, when the infrastructure of the Internet was still being built, it may have slowed developed. The early Internet was developed by the government (which can&#039;t patent anything). There&#039;s no similar protective umbrella over OpenSim. The Internet also snuck up on people -- few expected it to become as important to business as quickly as it did. We&#039;re under no such illusions about the 3D Web. Sure, there are folks out there who say &quot;it&#039;s just a game&quot; and &quot;nobody needs it&quot; but we all have the example of the dot-com boom reminding us how quickly that can change. I frequently talk with potential investors who are scouting around for opportunities in this sector. 

Whether we see a new flood of patents here probably depends on how the Supreme Court case comes out. 

To keep an eye out, Google Bilski v. Kappos:

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;um=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Bilski+kappos

-- Maria Korolov
Editor, Hypergrid Business
http://www.hypergridbusiness.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right. As OpenSim continues to gain speed, it&#8217;s quickly becoming apparent that it&#8217;s the infrastructure of the future 3D web (or will evolve into it). That means we&#8217;re about to see a massive land grab.</p>
<p>Software can, in fact, be patented &#8212; according to Red Hat, there are currently over 200,000 different software patents out there. Most are recent &#8212; the last decade or so &#8212; as a result of the dot-com gold rush. They fall under the &#8220;business method&#8221; patent category. However, the Supreme Court is currently reviewing this issue, with a ruling due early this year: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904574528062757245866.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904574528062757245866.html</a></p>
<p>For example, Yahoo! was just fined $12.4 million for infringing a patent on putting an ad background image on an instant message. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020300736.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020300736.html</a></p>
<p>Business method patents are weapons of mass destruction when it comes to software. But there are other alternatives, as well. Software can be copyrighted, for example. This doesn&#8217;t protect the underlying logic, though, if someone was able to reverse-engineer it or come up with a similar solution on their own. </p>
<p>Apple has a business process patent on &#8220;multi-touch.&#8221; Amazon on &#8220;1-Click&#8221; shopping. Nokia on the 3G cellphone communication standards. </p>
<p>These patents do hurt innovation in the sense that they add a cost to doing business. Apple, for example, has to pay a licensing fee to Amazon to offer &#8220;one-click&#8221; shopping. They also add court fees &#8212; Apple and Nokia are currently embroiled in costly back-and-forth lawsuits about GUIs and 3G standards. </p>
<p>However, the ability to patent software also brings in significant early money &#8212; investors know that inventors can not only make money by using their invention, but also by licensing it to others. </p>
<p>Does it stifle innovation? Hard to tell. The Amazon one-click patent didn&#8217;t seem to have slowed down the growth of e-commerce. But maybe if the patenting had started sooner, when the infrastructure of the Internet was still being built, it may have slowed developed. The early Internet was developed by the government (which can&#8217;t patent anything). There&#8217;s no similar protective umbrella over OpenSim. The Internet also snuck up on people &#8212; few expected it to become as important to business as quickly as it did. We&#8217;re under no such illusions about the 3D Web. Sure, there are folks out there who say &#8220;it&#8217;s just a game&#8221; and &#8220;nobody needs it&#8221; but we all have the example of the dot-com boom reminding us how quickly that can change. I frequently talk with potential investors who are scouting around for opportunities in this sector. </p>
<p>Whether we see a new flood of patents here probably depends on how the Supreme Court case comes out. </p>
<p>To keep an eye out, Google Bilski v. Kappos:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&#038;um=1&#038;cf=all&#038;ned=us&#038;hl=en&#038;q=Bilski+kappos" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&#038;um=1&#038;cf=all&#038;ned=us&#038;hl=en&#038;q=Bilski+kappos</a></p>
<p>&#8212; Maria Korolov<br />
Editor, Hypergrid Business<br />
<a href="http://www.hypergridbusiness.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hypergridbusiness.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert L Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert L Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What folks don&#039;t get is this is like finding a new land and then immediately setting about to strip mine the land for resources.

1 said resources are finite
2 that plant you rendered extinct could be the cure for cancer/stupid/whatever
3 maybe the best use of this particular &quot;land&quot; is to build on it and enjoy the surroundings

In short get your boots on the ground and think about the quarter after this one for once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What folks don&#8217;t get is this is like finding a new land and then immediately setting about to strip mine the land for resources.</p>
<p>1 said resources are finite<br />
2 that plant you rendered extinct could be the cure for cancer/stupid/whatever<br />
3 maybe the best use of this particular &#8220;land&#8221; is to build on it and enjoy the surroundings</p>
<p>In short get your boots on the ground and think about the quarter after this one for once.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Patton</title>
		<link>http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/a-personal-plea-on-patents/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Patton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said and, for what it&#039;s worth, I fully support what you are saying. Wondering what prompted you to write this article. Best regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said and, for what it&#8217;s worth, I fully support what you are saying. Wondering what prompted you to write this article. Best regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Zauber Exonar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zauber Exonar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You forgot 3)

Software patents are generally considered invalid, and if taken to court the said patent would be lost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot 3)</p>
<p>Software patents are generally considered invalid, and if taken to court the said patent would be lost.</p>
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